{"id":18881,"date":"2014-03-24T14:54:09","date_gmt":"2014-03-24T18:54:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sidebarforplaintiffs.naomifein.net\/?p=18881"},"modified":"2014-03-24T14:54:09","modified_gmt":"2014-03-24T18:54:09","slug":"talking-to-your-lawyer-about-truth-fact-and-when-the-other-guys-lawyer-lies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sidebarforplaintiffs.naomifein.net\/?p=18881","title":{"rendered":"Talking to your lawyer about truth, fact and when the other guy&#8217;s lawyer lies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Coincidentally, as I was going to write something about lawyers and lying, this article showed up in the New York Law Journal: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newyorklawjournal.com\/home\/id=1202646827510\">Attorney Accused of Telling Client to Commit Perjury | New York Law Journal<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So what happens if the other guy&#8217;s lawyer makes false statements, or signs off on the false statements his client makes? I was thinking it fell under the legal term &#8220;suborning perjury,&#8221; but I was wrong. Just looked it up in my Black&#8217;s Law Dictionary: Third Pocket Edition (bought used at the<a href=\"http:\/\/www.strandbooks.com\/\"> Strand<\/a>), and discovered that &#8220;subornation&#8221; requires inducement. That is, someone has to <em>induce<\/em> a person to lie, as the New York Law Journal article linked above suggests might have happened in that case.<\/p>\n<p>Let me invent an exemplary instance. A plaintiff sues, claiming and offering proof that the defendant owes her money. At some point in the proceedings, the defendant&#8217;s lawyer writes to the judge, copying the plaintiff&#8217;s lawyer, saying that the debt has been paid. He does not write a personal escape hatch into his letter, such as &#8220;<em>My client informs me<\/em> that the debt has been paid.&#8221; He just states, &#8220;The debt has been paid.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>But the debt has <em>not<\/em> been paid. And the putative escape hatch wouldn&#8217;t work anyway. The statement is a lie. Or, as legal terminology would have it, &#8220;perjury,&#8221; as Black&#8217;s defines it: &#8220;The act or an instance of a person&#8217;s deliberately making material false or misleading statements while under oath.&#8221; [All the legal definitions I quote are from Black&#8217;s.]<\/p>\n<p><strong>My POV on affidavits and affirmations: swearing to the truth of a statement<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When I, a plaintiff and non-lawyer, write an <strong>affidavit<\/strong> for court submission, I swear the statements in it are true. Moreover, I attach proof that those statements are true. And my lawyer is rigorous: she will check every statement against evidence, against the documentary proof. She will not <strong>affirm<\/strong> that my statements are true until she<em> proves<\/em> they are true.<\/p>\n<p>A lawyer usually doesn&#8217;t sign an <strong>affidavit<\/strong>, which is, &#8220;A voluntary declaration of facts written down and sworn to by the declarant before an officer authorized to administer oaths, such as a notary public.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A lawyer signs an <strong>affirmation<\/strong>: &#8220;A pledge equivalent to an oath but without reference to a supreme being or to &#8216;swearing&#8217;; a solemn declaration made under penalty of perjury but without an oath&#8230; either type of pledge [affidavit or affirmation] may subject the person making it to the penalties for perjury.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The reason a lawyer doesn&#8217;t sign an affidavit is because he&#8217;s already sort of pre-sworn-in as an &#8220;<strong>Officer of the court<\/strong>: A person who is charged with upholding the law and administering the judicial system. Typically officer of the court refers to a judge, clerk, bailiff, sheriff, or the like, but the term also applies to a lawyer, who is obliged to obey court rules and who owes a duty of candor to the court.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So are there Rules of Professional Conduct that require lawyers not to &#8220;misstate,&#8221; or whatever euphemism you want to use instead of &#8220;lie?&#8221; Yes. And here they are:<\/p>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 667.117px; top: 141.233px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.936624, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"g_font_13_0\" data-canvas-width=\"35.41999915552139\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nysba.org\/workarea\/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=45804\"><em>RULE 4.1:TRUTHFULNESS IN STATEMENTS TO OTHERS<\/em><\/a><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 120.04px; top: 203.433px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.983447, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"243.46879419525146\"><em>In the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person.<\/em><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 120.04px; top: 244.433px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.971594, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"77.50079815223692\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 120.04px; top: 244.433px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.971594, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"77.50079815223692\"><em>Comment<\/em><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 120.04px; top: 285.633px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.982605, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"143.72239657339094\"><em>Misrepresentation<\/em><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 180.033px; top: 326.233px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(1.05096, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"21.509599487171176\"><em>[1]<\/em><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 120.04px; top: 368.433px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.931395, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"788.5503811994934\"><em>A lawyer is required to be truthful when dealing with others on a client\u2019s behalf, but generally has no affirmative duty to inform an opposing party of relevant facts. A misrepresentation can occur if the lawyer incorporates or affirms a statement of another person that the lawyer knows is false.<\/em><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 730.317px; top: 431.683px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.91123, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"174.30319584428787\"><em>Misrepresentations can also occur by partially true but misleading statements or omissions that are the equivalent of affirmative false statements.<\/em><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-size: 18.4px; font-family: sans-serif; left: 730.317px; top: 431.683px; transform: rotate(0deg) scale(0.91123, 1); transform-origin: 0% 0% 0px; padding-left: 30px;\" data-angle=\"0\" data-font-name=\"Times New Roman\" data-canvas-width=\"174.30319584428787\"><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Me again: It is the lawyer&#8217;s obligation to <em>himself<\/em> to make sure any statements he makes on behalf of his client are true. No responsible lawyer signs off on or affirms a statement he hasn&#8217;t thoroughly vetted for truth, accuracy, proof. If his client tells the lawyer, &#8220;I paid that debt,&#8221; the lawyer must say to the client, &#8220;I need to see proof before I tell the court that you paid the debt.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Coincidentally, as I was going to write something about lawyers and lying, this article showed up in the New York Law Journal: Attorney Accused of Telling Client to Commit Perjury | New York Law Journal. 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