{"id":42028,"date":"2019-11-12T13:40:21","date_gmt":"2019-11-12T18:40:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sidebarforplaintiffs.naomifein.net\/?p=42028"},"modified":"2019-11-12T13:40:21","modified_gmt":"2019-11-12T18:40:21","slug":"why-im-not-going-nuts-over-the-trump-v-dem-candidates-polling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sidebarforplaintiffs.naomifein.net\/?p=42028","title":{"rendered":"Why I&#8217;m not going nuts over the Trump v Dem candidates polling"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>They don&#8217;t make any sense to me.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/11\/04\/upshot\/trump-biden-warren-polls.html?searchResultPosition=1\">The Times recently published a chart of results from the Times-Siena new poll of election battleground states comparing Trump to the current top Democratic presidential candidates.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Nate Cohn, the Times poll maven, writes:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em>Despite low national approval ratings and the specter of impeachment, <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/11\/05\/podcasts\/the-daily\/whos-ahead-2020.html?module=inline\">President Trump<\/a> remains highly competitive in the battleground states likeliest to decide his re-election, according to a set of new surveys from The New York Times Upshot and Siena College.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em>The Times\/Siena results and other data suggest that the president\u2019s advantage in the Electoral College relative to the nation as a whole <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/07\/19\/upshot\/trump-electoral-college-edge-.html?module=inline\">remains intact or has even grown<\/a> since 2016, raising the possibility that the Republicans could \u2014 for the third time in the past six elections \u2014 win the presidency while losing the popular vote.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>But but but but&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/scri.siena.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/11\/IADem1019.pdf\">I looked at the Iowa poll information as analyzed by 538.com.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The poll requires respondents to rank-choice rate their Democratic candidates. The results &#8212; 14 pages in that above link for Iowa &#8212; are really interesting.<\/p>\n<p>But Trump is the sole Republican in question. So presumably a large percentage of Republican voters who are polled are selecting Trump, while the 439 Democratic voters polled spread their votes over 19 candidates plus an option for &#8220;other.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So Trump represents 100 percent of his voters while the Democratic candidates represent a percentage of 20 possibilities. Can the polling &#8212; rank-choice voting notwithstanding &#8212;\u00a0 accurately pinpoint what happens to those ranked votes<em> after<\/em> the primary selects that one candidate? I don&#8217;t know how polls can evaluate what happens after a primary, when voters turn their support to the nominee, usually enthusiastically.<\/p>\n<p>How does this suggest that Trump can win again in the Electoral College?<\/p>\n<p>When the Democrats choose their candidate, <strong>then <\/strong>rational state polls comparing Trump to the Democratic candidate can have some meaning. Until then, I&#8217;m not getting depressed &#8212; which a number of Times&#8217; commentators said they were.<\/p>\n<p>Cheer up, folks. None of this stuff means anything until after the primary. Except that so many people seem to be going crazy.<\/p>\n<p>Note: If anyone can contradict me by telling me how polls can indeed measure one against many with accuracy, please let me know.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>They don&#8217;t make any sense to me. 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